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Battleships

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(2014-04-24, 07:05 PM)lemmington Wrote: The funny part in this thread is ' battle ships are a huge targets and can be sunken really easy' is the most common statement. Well yes it is huge , but no it isn't easy to sink one.
Example the bismark needed at least (from what i can read on the net) 400 direct hits from guns that are 350mm+ and 4 direct hits from torpedos. And even then it sunk because the engeine crew sabotaged the ship because the moral of the ship was very low.

Want to hear something else? Aircraft carries are even bigger targets and have less armor. Yes they are more versitale whit their aircraft, but actuly we don't need aircrafts anymore because we have drones that can fly the world around and balistic missels. If battleships are a huge waste of money then aircraft carries are also. They can easly sunk by submarines and offer almost no offensive capabilties on the sea itself.
Yes they can launch aircraft whit anti-ship missels, but any modern ship can also fire anti- aircraft missels. And the ship has the adavntage of firepower, defense and a much larger missels storage.

As for doing things other ship can't do? How about siegeing a modern harbor that is equiped whit anti-ship missels. Anti-ship missels are desinged for taking down things that don't have more the around a few inches of armor plating. Most modern ship that are equiped for war have around a quater inch armor plating. A battleship would just eat those puny missels while giveing the harbor itself a bad day while fireing 350+mm cannon shells everywhere.

a few contra statements that can be made:
But i also can use a carrier for that!
yes, but how are 90 aircraft going to siege a harbor that probably is also equiped whit loads of AA missels, i wonder how many flares you actuly need to use to counter all those missels.

I also can fire off soem continental ballistic missels on the harbor.
true, but a missels is not an ship.
Why siging an enemy harbour when you have explosive cruise missiles, which can travel over continents?
It is just the warhead which decides between nuke and normal explosion.
The only thing you do today is blocking a harbour, which is possible with smaller ships.

Why do you think the militaris in the world stoped building battle ships?

The build and uskeep costs are not in relation to the demand of this ships.
Sure, they could be useful sometimes, but this case hapens so seldom, that they are not using this ships anymore.
And what do you think which buildings this ships need to be maintained?
Gigant docks, capable of carrying all that weight.

The uskeep is A LOT more expansive than it was in WWII times.
Fuel is rather rare and the engines you would need to power this thing are not cheap either.

Aaaan, last but not least:

This ships aint as invincible as it seems.
A good placed hit with a destroyer missile and chaos is breaking out.
Without a bridge they will need some time to activate secondary systems.
Submarines are a hreat to every ship, and you can overlook it easily in the heat of battle.

Thats it for my part so far Big Grin
Professor from crazy mashines Wrote:Do you know what that means? It means that this Lamb thing is not working!
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Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-18, 08:16 AM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-18, 10:02 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-18, 03:28 PM
RE: Battleships - by Tchou - 2014-04-18, 04:35 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-18, 08:31 PM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-19, 09:38 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-19, 10:31 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-19, 10:42 AM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-19, 09:39 PM
RE: Battleships - by Antypodish - 2014-04-19, 07:15 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-19, 10:48 PM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-20, 11:16 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-19, 10:53 PM
RE: Battleships - by Vaim - 2014-04-22, 08:59 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-23, 06:21 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-23, 07:56 AM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-23, 08:45 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-23, 09:02 PM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-23, 10:13 PM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-23, 10:26 PM
RE: Battleships - by skullair - 2014-04-24, 06:35 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-24, 01:36 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-24, 07:05 PM
RE: Battleships - by skullair - 2014-04-24, 08:43 PM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-24, 11:26 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-25, 05:38 AM
RE: Battleships - by skullair - 2014-04-25, 06:54 AM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-25, 10:49 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2014-04-24, 08:15 PM
RE: Battleships - by drNovikov - 2015-02-11, 05:56 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-24, 08:47 PM
RE: Battleships - by skullair - 2014-04-24, 09:18 PM
RE: Battleships - by Tchou - 2014-04-24, 11:41 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-25, 11:18 AM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-25, 09:43 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2014-04-25, 10:58 PM
RE: Battleships - by Nick Smart - 2014-04-25, 11:07 PM
RE: Battleships - by skullair - 2014-04-25, 11:09 PM
RE: Battleships - by Antypodish - 2014-04-26, 12:47 AM
RE: Battleships - by SangerZonvolt - 2014-04-28, 11:48 AM
RE: Battleships - by ReynoldsXD - 2015-01-09, 07:07 PM
RE: Battleships - by FordGT90Concept - 2015-01-12, 06:27 AM
RE: Battleships - by Bombzero - 2015-01-12, 11:07 AM
RE: Battleships - by FordGT90Concept - 2015-01-12, 02:43 PM
RE: Battleships - by drNovikov - 2015-01-13, 04:08 PM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-01-17, 10:37 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-01-17, 08:46 PM
RE: Battleships - by Bombzero - 2015-02-04, 07:53 AM
RE: Battleships - by Clusterduck - 2015-02-11, 09:34 PM
RE: Battleships - by LogicEngineer - 2015-02-05, 12:55 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-02-05, 12:15 PM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2015-02-15, 11:28 PM
RE: Battleships - by NathanTheSpaceSurvivor - 2015-02-22, 11:53 PM
RE: Battleships - by Quellix - 2015-02-23, 06:11 PM
RE: Battleships - by Clusterduck - 2015-02-23, 08:12 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-02-23, 08:47 PM
RE: Battleships - by drNovikov - 2015-02-24, 01:21 AM
RE: Battleships - by Malphas - 2015-02-24, 05:38 AM
RE: Battleships - by drNovikov - 2015-02-24, 06:48 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-02-24, 07:48 AM
RE: Battleships - by drNovikov - 2015-02-24, 10:16 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-02-24, 11:14 AM
RE: Battleships - by drNovikov - 2015-02-24, 03:14 PM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-02-24, 03:50 PM
RE: Battleships - by Malphas - 2015-02-24, 12:12 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-02-24, 08:36 PM
RE: Battleships - by joe12473 - 2015-03-30, 06:51 PM
RE: Battleships - by ARCAGNELL0 - 2015-03-30, 07:14 PM
RE: Battleships - by elboydo - 2015-03-31, 12:38 PM
RE: Battleships - by ARCAGNELL0 - 2015-03-31, 05:20 PM
RE: Battleships - by joe12473 - 2015-03-31, 05:46 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-03-31, 07:28 PM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-04-02, 05:24 PM
RE: Battleships - by Savaage - 2015-03-31, 10:40 PM
RE: Battleships - by joe12473 - 2015-04-01, 12:14 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-01, 12:18 PM
RE: Battleships - by Lman94 - 2015-04-03, 09:53 PM
RE: Battleships - by Savaage - 2015-04-01, 03:13 PM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2015-04-04, 11:02 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-04-22, 07:37 AM
RE: Battleships - by joe12473 - 2015-04-04, 05:21 PM
RE: Battleships - by Savaage - 2015-04-04, 05:30 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-05, 10:12 PM
RE: Battleships - by pre1032 - 2015-04-21, 11:36 PM
RE: Battleships - by Clusterduck - 2015-04-22, 04:26 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2015-04-22, 05:16 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-22, 10:54 AM
RE: Battleships - by elboydo - 2015-04-23, 09:11 PM
RE: Battleships - by Esthil - 2015-04-29, 03:35 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-29, 05:12 PM
RE: Battleships - by Savaage - 2015-04-29, 07:26 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-29, 08:45 PM
RE: Battleships - by Clusterduck - 2015-04-29, 09:18 PM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2015-04-30, 07:01 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-04-30, 10:06 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-30, 10:02 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-04-30, 06:20 PM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-04-30, 09:23 PM
RE: Battleships - by Esthil - 2015-05-01, 02:24 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-11, 06:57 AM
RE: Battleships - by Blothorn - 2015-06-11, 08:07 AM
RE: Battleships - by ExRedux - 2015-06-11, 08:26 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-11, 10:54 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-06-12, 05:02 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-11, 03:07 PM
RE: Battleships - by furioustep197 - 2015-06-12, 06:09 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-12, 06:58 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-13, 12:04 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-06-13, 10:15 PM
RE: Battleships - by Blothorn - 2015-06-13, 02:25 AM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-13, 06:34 AM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-13, 10:18 PM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-06-13, 11:22 PM
RE: Battleships - by ARCAGNELL0 - 2015-06-13, 10:46 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-14, 10:36 AM
RE: Battleships - by Blothorn - 2015-06-13, 11:05 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-14, 12:38 AM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-14, 05:21 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-15, 09:31 AM
RE: Battleships - by ARCAGNELL0 - 2015-06-14, 05:22 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-15, 03:10 PM
RE: Battleships - by Blothorn - 2015-06-15, 03:25 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-15, 11:17 PM
RE: Battleships - by Blothorn - 2015-06-16, 01:30 AM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-16, 02:11 AM
RE: Battleships - by yay101 - 2015-06-16, 02:11 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-06-20, 08:43 AM
RE: Battleships - by Powerracer - 2015-06-20, 02:10 PM
RE: Battleships - by yay101 - 2015-06-20, 03:20 PM
RE: Battleships - by Professor_Petaflop - 2015-06-20, 04:14 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-20, 05:16 PM
RE: Battleships - by Professor_Petaflop - 2015-06-20, 05:53 PM
RE: Battleships - by TauNeutrino - 2015-06-20, 06:05 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-20, 06:24 PM
RE: Battleships - by Professor_Petaflop - 2015-06-20, 07:34 PM
RE: Battleships - by lemmington - 2015-06-20, 09:36 PM
RE: Battleships - by Artificial Insanity - 2015-06-21, 02:00 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2015-06-22, 06:48 AM
RE: Battleships - by Ixos - 2015-06-22, 09:19 AM
RE: Battleships - by Esthil - 2015-06-23, 12:27 AM
RE: Battleships - by h0yer - 2015-06-23, 06:18 AM

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