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Optics changes are good
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Shield changes are good
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Laser overhaul plans

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(2019-07-26, 07:56 PM)Blothorn Wrote: Having played around with this, I think continuous lasers are in need of some love. It used to be that largeish 4Q lasers had substantial problems with overkill, particularly in LAMS/light AA roles, which made 0Q worth the damage penalty. After the nerf to base damage I haven't had overkill trouble with 4Q, and the doubled AP merely compensates for the fact that given a target DPS and set number of frequency doublers, a 0Q laser needs twice as many pumps and thus half the base AP. (Also, light AA/LAMS has low AP requirements, so even quadrupling base AP wouldn't help much in my estimation.)

I think the most obvious step would be reducing the penalty--at 75% damage (with the AP buff reduced to 33% to compensate) I would at least give 0Q consideration in large LAMS.

Yep, pulsed/continuous does the same damage through most shields.
0Q has the current numbers to avoid making it THE LAMS option, while stil keeping it viable for offense. For offense it's decent/good against flight surfaces that even 4Q would overkill.

Current 0Q hit is probably a bit too harsh, this way because it's nice and round+dunno yet where pulsed LAMS stands after adding more missile body/CRAM HP.
It has to be tuned for specific HP ranges(M LAMS overkills S and might take too long against L), but there it's way better than 0Q as you are very unlikely to have more than 100% overkill.

I'm thinking about maybe increasing 0Q damage to 60%, while keeping the double AP.
That means:
- you can have a universal LAMS that does very little overkill and deals with swarms well at a decent damage penalty
- 0Q is a bit better against strong shields+armor, worse against everything else


75% base damage sounds a bit too much for LAMS, as projectile HPs have a huge variance.
Even M missiles can be <500 or >2000, pulsed that does enough damage to deal with a decent amount in the detection range will have noticeable overkill across the board.
Even if it's just 20%, everyone would just use the continuous version as 33% isn't that much in comparison and it works against everything from S missiles to CRAMs.
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Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-06, 03:08 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Blarint - 2019-05-06, 05:07 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Maty83Cz - 2019-05-06, 05:33 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by benzo711 - 2019-05-06, 05:26 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-06, 05:36 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Maty83Cz - 2019-05-06, 05:58 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-06, 06:53 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by dmoniks - 2019-05-07, 09:32 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by mrvecz - 2019-05-07, 10:15 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Lincrono - 2019-05-08, 04:17 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-08, 09:21 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Lincrono - 2019-05-09, 02:32 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Skyer - 2019-05-08, 02:37 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-05-08, 03:01 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-09, 12:00 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Lincrono - 2019-05-11, 09:46 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by SynthTwo - 2019-05-10, 03:37 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-10, 03:49 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by BioPhoenix - 2019-05-11, 05:50 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Lincrono - 2019-05-11, 08:57 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-13, 08:53 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-05-13, 10:37 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-13, 11:08 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by SynthTwo - 2019-05-13, 06:43 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Kurr - 2019-05-13, 07:37 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-05-15, 11:40 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by SLK18 - 2019-05-16, 02:19 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by howardxu23 - 2019-06-18, 10:13 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-06-18, 01:27 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-18, 02:53 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-06-18, 05:06 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-18, 05:58 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-06-19, 02:15 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-19, 12:15 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-06-20, 11:26 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Carolus Magnus - 2019-06-20, 04:14 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-21, 09:18 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Carolus Magnus - 2019-06-21, 12:52 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Skullsploder - 2019-06-24, 06:48 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by khkpck - 2019-06-24, 07:00 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Skyer - 2019-06-24, 09:09 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by moonruner - 2019-06-24, 02:05 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Carolus Magnus - 2019-06-24, 02:34 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Blothorn - 2019-06-24, 07:48 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by khkpck - 2019-06-24, 08:25 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-24, 10:38 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-26, 11:30 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by ABYAY - 2019-06-26, 12:42 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-26, 12:59 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Carolus Magnus - 2019-06-26, 03:03 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-26, 04:06 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Carolus Magnus - 2019-06-26, 04:24 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-06-26, 05:04 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Ged - 2019-07-09, 10:47 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-07-09, 02:00 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Nick Smart - 2019-07-23, 02:51 AM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by Blothorn - 2019-07-26, 07:56 PM
RE: Laser overhaul plans - by draba - 2019-07-26, 08:55 PM

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