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5 16.13%
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41.94%
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#11
Why the gun control though? I'd say there's a lot that could be done with background checks, but it's unrealistic to make all guns disappear and unhelpful to make them illegal.
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(2017-12-22, 08:31 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote: Why the gun control though? I'd say there's a lot that could be done with background checks, but it's unrealistic to make all guns disappear and unhelpful to make them illegal.

Because at the moment the US suffer from constant massacres and toddlers getting hold of guns and shooting themselves and or there parents.
Thats why.
I do not ask for removal of the firearms but rather better control over them, making it harder to get them, is what I mean.
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(2017-12-22, 08:33 AM)ciaranhappy Wrote:
(2017-12-22, 08:31 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote: Why the gun control though? I'd say there's a lot that could be done with background checks, but it's unrealistic to make all guns disappear and unhelpful to make them illegal.

Because at the moment the US suffer from constant massacres and toddlers getting hold of guns and shooting themselves and or there parents.
Thats why.
I do not ask for removal of the firearms but rather better control over them, making it harder to get them, is what I mean.

The constant massacres thing is just not true. You hear a lot about them, but you really are more likely to get struck by lightening.

As for the toddlers... you are right, that does happen, and it's terrible, but think how many things BESIDES guns dumbasses leave around their house where small children can get at them. Knives, electronics, power tools, all manner of toxic substances, medications, firestarters..... the list goes on. The point is, gun accidents mainly happen when someone is a complete fucking moron, and besides putting them in a padded cell, there's no way to keep those people from hurting themselves or people around them with their stupidity.
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(2017-12-22, 08:42 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote:
(2017-12-22, 08:33 AM)ciaranhappy Wrote:
(2017-12-22, 08:31 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote: Why the gun control though? I'd say there's a lot that could be done with background checks, but it's unrealistic to make all guns disappear and unhelpful to make them illegal.

Because at the moment the US suffer from constant massacres and toddlers getting hold of guns and shooting themselves and or there parents.
Thats why.
I do not ask for removal of the firearms but rather better control over them, making it harder to get them, is what I mean.

The constant massacres thing is just not true. You hear a lot about them, but you really are more likely to get struck by lightening.

As for the toddlers... you are right, that does happen, and it's terrible, but think how many things BESIDES guns dumbasses leave around their house where small children can get at them. Knives, electronics, power tools, all manner of toxic substances, medications, firestarters..... the list goes on. The point is, gun accidents mainly happen when someone is a complete fucking moron, and besides putting them in a padded cell, there's no way to keep those people from hurting themselves or people around them with their stupidity.
You have changed my opinion somewhat but I still feel the gun control is necessary, since the US still have more gun killings then other countrys, here in Australia we havnt had an issue since the Port Aurther Massacre, since we tightened the gun laws.
But you do have a good point, the news probably does make it seem the problem is bigger then it is but I still think the problem exists.
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There's a problem alright, but is it really guns? I mean, mass shootings are what everyone is hung up on, but they're a tiny fraction of a percentage of the murder rate. The real problem is police forces you can't trust and massive income inequality.

For an example, I'd take a look at Switzerland. Basically everyone there has a gun. They're not allowed to use it unless they're invaded, but you're not allowed to shoot people anyway so it hardly matters. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than the murder rate in the US. Guns aren't the problem, guns aren't the solution, guns are inanimate objects that some people like to have for hunting, target shooting, or because carrying one makes them feel safer for whatever reason.
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(2017-12-22, 08:51 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote: There's a problem alright, but is it really guns? I mean, mass shootings are what everyone is hung up on, but they're a tiny fraction of a percentage of the murder rate. The real problem is police forces you can't trust and massive income inequality.

For an example, I'd take a look at Switzerland. Basically everyone there has a gun. They're not allowed to use it unless they're invaded, but you're not allowed to shoot people anyway so it hardly matters. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than the murder rate in the US. Guns aren't the problem, guns aren't the solution, guns are inanimate objects that some people like to have for hunting, target shooting, or because carrying one makes them feel safer for whatever reason.

I suppose your right, but why cant it by simply your require a permit to own a gun?
You need one to drive a car, and cars, like guns, are capable of immense bodily harm.
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(2017-12-22, 08:54 AM)ciaranhappy Wrote:
(2017-12-22, 08:51 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote: There's a problem alright, but is it really guns? I mean, mass shootings are what everyone is hung up on, but they're a tiny fraction of a percentage of the murder rate. The real problem is police forces you can't trust and massive income inequality.

For an example, I'd take a look at Switzerland. Basically everyone there has a gun. They're not allowed to use it unless they're invaded, but you're not allowed to shoot people anyway so it hardly matters. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than the murder rate in the US. Guns aren't the problem, guns aren't the solution, guns are inanimate objects that some people like to have for hunting, target shooting, or because carrying one makes them feel safer for whatever reason.

I suppose your right, but why cant it by simply your require a permit to own a gun?
You need one to drive a car, and cars, like guns, are capable of immense bodily harm.

In many places that's the case. In fact, I think most states require some sort of check before buying a gun. I definitely fully support having to pass a background and safety check in order to purchase guns. But some anti gun people are just going "BAN ALL GUNS GUNS ARE EVIL" and that isn't rational. I'm glad to see you can look at this in a rational way. It doesn't help gun rights PR that many of the most prominent pro-gun people are raging racists.....
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(2017-12-22, 08:59 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote:
(2017-12-22, 08:54 AM)ciaranhappy Wrote:
(2017-12-22, 08:51 AM)Unhinged mechanic Wrote: There's a problem alright, but is it really guns? I mean, mass shootings are what everyone is hung up on, but they're a tiny fraction of a percentage of the murder rate. The real problem is police forces you can't trust and massive income inequality.

For an example, I'd take a look at Switzerland. Basically everyone there has a gun. They're not allowed to use it unless they're invaded, but you're not allowed to shoot people anyway so it hardly matters. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than the murder rate in the US. Guns aren't the problem, guns aren't the solution, guns are inanimate objects that some people like to have for hunting, target shooting, or because carrying one makes them feel safer for whatever reason.

I suppose your right, but why cant it by simply your require a permit to own a gun?
You need one to drive a car, and cars, like guns, are capable of immense bodily harm.

In many places that's the case. In fact, I think most states require some sort of check before buying a gun. I definitely fully support having to pass a background and safety check in order to purchase guns. But some anti gun people are just going "BAN ALL GUNS GUNS ARE EVIL" and that isn't rational. I'm glad to see you can look at this in a rational way. It doesn't help gun rights PR that many of the most prominent pro-gun people are raging racists.....

Yeah, background and safety checks are good and im glad to hear many states do them, out where I am in Australia that just, isnt known by anyone, its the first ive heard of it, as far as anyone out here knows the gun issues out in the US are going wild at the moment. Glad you explained somethings to me so rationally, I can respect that.
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I'm going to go on a rant against religion here. I'm sorry if you get offended, but I have grown a disliking against religion because of the fact that in primary school our lunches and breaks were cut short for an assembly everyday and that assembly was usually just singing christian songs and the teachers reading stories from the bible and stuff. And also I'm a firm believer in science, and even though I have absolutely no idea what's going on in the more complex part of it, it makes more sense than a/some guy/guys just creating the entire universe out of nothing/in a few days/minutes.

I think, as a whole, religion is pointless now. 2000 years ago, we couldn't explain things, so religion was probably meant to be a "temporary" explanation. I think Jesus was just a really nice guy who was arrested and killed for being too popular which just got him more popular ("You could make a religion out of this."-Bill Wurtz).

Now. Think about all the wars in history. I'd say a lot of them were because of different views. I'd also say that a lot of those "views" were different religions. Now, if god/gods truly DO love everyone, then why don't they try and stop wars and all the human slaughter? And why don't they come down and try and stop the production of weapons? (I'm not complaining. I LOVE tanks and army vehicles.) More importantly, think about WW2. It's the war with the most deaths in history. And the majority of the deaths were civilians. I'd say that a fair amount of those civilians were the jews (People who BELIEVE in god) in the concentration camps. Why didn't god come down and prevent all that? (And if it's because of a person who ate an apple, then that's ridiculously stupid.) Also, if religion didn't exist, Hitler would have at least 1-2 less races to hate/try to make extinct.

Speaking of the person who ate an apple and her "husband" (?), evolution happened. What makes more sense? A guy who makes the entire universe appear within days, or the Big Bang, and then the Sun forms some billions of years later, and then the Earth forms, and then water comes down from meteors that came from a planet that Earth collided with, then there's bacteria in the water, and through evolution (let's say one bacteria evolves more flagellas while the other's don't. A flagella is the thing that allows bacteria to move. Therefore, the "special" bacteria can run away from any predators faster, and catch up to food faster. It then reproduces, and then offspring with the same features as the "not so special one anymore". This happens over millions/billions of years with loads of different features.)
happens and life slowly starts to get more complex and then monkeys which are the most human-like animal slowly evolve into us. It's complex, but I'd say it makes a hell-of-a-lot more sense than christianity's way of explaining it.

And then there's the extremists. "Hmm... I'm just going to "ALLAHU ACKBAR" straight into this crowd of people/building to blow them all up with a bomb strapped to my back. I'll not even throw a grenade so I don't die! THAT'LL get me extra points in heaven. Everyone will love me!" Newsflash. I don't think human slaughter by suicide will get you anywhere but hell (if it even exists.)

And on the internet... it's nowhere near as bad as killing yourself along with 20 other people, but it's annoying. There's youtubers like Kurzgesagt who make detailed scientific explanations oh how things work, only to have it ass-blasted by people who think the universe who think the world/universe is 6000 years old or something. "ERMAHGERD, U DARE 2 BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT ISN'T MY RELIGION/HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION U BASTARD, U DESERVE 2 DIE U IDIOT."
Dude. Where's your evidence? A book that could have been written by anybody? You don't even know if it's a primary source or a secondary source! It could have been written by anybody, at any time. What are bibles good for? Cover from machine gun fire. Then they're a HOLEY bible. (See what I did there?)

And now, I will end my rant. To sum up, I think religion is completely pointless at this point, and has probably caused more deaths than anything else. I don't know if this is even on topic with this thread, but this is the off-topic forum, and Ciaranhappy talked about religion, so what the hell.
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(2017-12-22, 09:05 AM)benzo711 Wrote: I'm going to go on a rant against religion here. I'm sorry if you get offended, but I have grown a disliking against religion because of the fact that in primary school our lunches and breaks were cut short for an assembly everyday and that assembly was usually just singing christian songs and the teachers reading stories from the bible and stuff. And also I'm a firm believer in science, and even though I have absolutely no idea what's going on in the more complex part of it, it makes more sense than a/some guy/guys just creating the entire universe out of nothing/in a few days/minutes.

I think, as a whole, religion is pointless now. 2000 years ago, we couldn't explain things, so religion was probably meant to be a "temporary" explanation. I think Jesus was just a really nice guy who was arrested and killed for being too popular which just got him more popular ("You could make a religion out of this."-Bill Wurtz).

Now. Think about all the wars in history. I'd say a lot of them were because of different views. I'd also say that a lot of those "views" were different religions. Now, if god/gods truly DO love everyone, then why don't they try and stop wars and all the human slaughter? And why don't they come down and try and stop the production of weapons? (I'm not complaining. I LOVE tanks and army vehicles.) More importantly, think about WW2. It's the war with the most deaths in history. And the majority of the deaths were civilians. I'd say that a fair amount of those civilians were the jews (People who BELEIVE in god) in the concentration camps. Why didn't god come down and prevent all that? (And if it's because of a person who ate an apple, then that's ridiculously stupid.) Also, if religion didn't exist, Hitler would have at least 1-2 less races to hate/try to make extinct.

Speaking of the person who ate an apple and her "husband" (?), evolution happened. What makes more sense? A guy who makes the entire universe appear within days, or the Big Bang, and then the Sun forms some billions of years later, and then the Earth forms, and then water comes down from meteors that came from a planet that Earth collided with, then there's bacteria in the water, and through evolution (let's say one bacteria evolves more flagellas while the other's don't. A flagella is the thing that allows bacteria to move. Therefore, the "special" bacteria can run away from any predators faster, and catch up to food faster. It then reproduces, and then offspring with the same features as the "not so special one anymore". This happens over millions/billions of years with loads of different features.)
happens and life slowly starts to get more complex and then monkeys which are the most human-like animal slowly evolve into us. It's complex, but I'd say it makes a hell-of-a-lot more sense than christianity's way of explaining it.

And then there's the extremists. "Hmm... I'm just going to "ALLAHU ACKBAR" straight into this crowd of people/building to blow them all up with a bomb strapped to my back. I'll not even throw a grenade so I don't die! THAT'LL get me extra points in heaven. Everyone will love me!" Newsflash. I don't think human slaughter by suicide will get you anywhere but hell (if it even exists.)

And on the internet... it's nowhere near as bad as killing yourself along with 20 other people, but it's annoying. There's youtubers like Kurzgesagt who make detailed scientific explanations oh how things work, only to have it ass-blasted by people who think the universe who think the world/universe is 6000 years old or something. "ERMAHGERD, U DARE 2 BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT ISN'T MY RELIGION/HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION U BASTARD, U DESERVE 2 DIE U IDIOT."
Dude. Where's your evidence? A book that could have been written by anybody? You don't even know if it's a primary source or a secondary source! I could have been written by anybody, at any time. What are bibles good for? Cover from machine gun fire. Then they're a HOLEY bible. (See what I did there?)

And now, I will end my rant. To sum up, I think religion is completely pointless at this point, and has probably caused more deaths than anything else. I don't know if this is even on topic with this thread, but this is the off-topic forum, and Ciaranhappy talked about religion, so what the hell.
I completely agree.
I sorta said the same thing in less words in my first post on this thread here:
Quote:Basically, I know for a fact I will offend people by saying this but there are some things I feel must go, namely, religion, now im not saying the belief in a god or gods are inherently bad, think of it like this, take the wars in the middle east with terrorism and such, they blame it on the Quran, if religion wasn't a thing they would have nothing to blame there senseless violence on and such, people wouldn't be rallying in support of them in some places.
Its similar with Christianity, no Christianity = no mass purges of "heretics" who in truth where just people who had disability's and such.
Of course, its the minority of believers who cause these issues these days, I have a crush on a girl who believes in God, so I have to admit, its the minority who are the issue here, but honestly, I feel there presence is stronger.

I go to a Catholic school and I am required to have religon lessons like everyone else, my family is also Catholic, though they are also rational and are fine with my atheism. So i completely understand where you coming from.
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