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Laser/LAMS rework (2.15)

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(2017-12-12, 08:32 AM)higamerXD Wrote: from what i see this is a BIG nerf and some buffs
but with the missile rework mod this will not at all work for they have buffed health.
still, this could be fun but it will break alot of campain desinges

This is a massive buff.
Lasers can consistently hit and are doing significant damage even to the best flyers.

Note that the 1/5 nominal damage cut is only 1/5 up to 1000m-ish, with new optics lasers are much more consistent at long range.
At 2000m old lasers/aim will miss more often than not, and do only ~52% damage.
New ones still hit and with midsized optics can still do 80%+ of their base damage.

Having lower DPS against unprotected targets is intended, now an unshielded singularity takes 20 seconds to kill instead of 5.
Without mitigation laser DPS is off the charts, the reduction is necessary.

Laser damage costs many times more(both material and volume) than battery charge needed to nullify it.
In vanilla 2 layers of STR6 shields reduce laser damage to 0.57%, 1 layer of smoke to 1%.
Dunno 0.33 wavefront numbers off the top of my head but they are the same "too low, doesn't matter".
If something can be killed by lasers it's just too bad to be considered from a balance standpoint.

The 2.5x accuracy buff for LAMS is massive, it's still on the too strong side but this is such a QoL improvement I wanted to do it.
Also makes projectile detection range matter in some cases, against 100-200m effective range of old LAMS it didn't make a difference.

The missile mod actually needs this change: I really wanted to reduce missile HP there, but the silly LAMS DPS ties my hand.
Now I can do it and nerf flak a bit, it would've to be pushed above HE numbers to be where I'd like it.
Who knows, maybe someday kinetic CIWS won't be objectively bad Smile


The mod shouldn't affect campaign too much:
- LWCs on some designs fall back to 2Hz and detection goes down to "only decent" accuracy
- LAMS works, 4Q even better than before on some things.
- Lasers tend to have 30-80 AP so they work more or less the same. Price goes up a bit.
- There is a power surplus on things that use any lasers.
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Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by draba - 2017-12-12, 03:08 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by higamerXD - 2017-12-12, 08:32 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-12, 10:03 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by higamerXD - 2017-12-12, 10:12 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Gladyon - 2017-12-12, 10:16 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-12, 11:07 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Gladyon - 2017-12-12, 11:19 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by khkpck - 2017-12-12, 10:51 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by harnas1977 - 2017-12-12, 12:07 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Richard Dastardly - 2017-12-12, 11:54 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-12, 12:34 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by SynthTwo - 2017-12-12, 12:38 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-12, 12:49 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by khkpck - 2017-12-12, 01:04 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-13, 03:12 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Richard Dastardly - 2017-12-13, 08:36 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-13, 11:56 AM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Richard Dastardly - 2017-12-13, 09:52 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Skyer - 2017-12-13, 01:08 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-13, 02:42 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by MizarLuke - 2017-12-13, 03:04 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Zuthal - 2017-12-13, 10:56 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by SynthTwo - 2017-12-14, 04:30 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-14, 05:14 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by Richard Dastardly - 2017-12-14, 07:02 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-16, 05:20 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-14, 09:46 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-15, 03:57 PM
RE: Laser rework, aim fix - by SynthTwo - 2017-12-15, 04:44 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-16, 04:55 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by IonShield - 2017-12-16, 10:13 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by Awellner - 2017-12-17, 12:37 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-17, 11:43 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by IonShield - 2017-12-17, 09:33 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by Softie - 2017-12-18, 12:48 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-18, 10:05 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by SynthTwo - 2017-12-19, 07:06 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-19, 08:10 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by SynthTwo - 2017-12-20, 03:33 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by Normal69 - 2017-12-20, 09:38 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-20, 10:21 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by Normal69 - 2017-12-20, 10:43 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by draba - 2017-12-20, 10:54 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by SynthTwo - 2017-12-20, 05:13 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by MizarLuke - 2017-12-20, 08:46 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework, aim fix - by tingtung - 2018-01-01, 12:23 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.12) - by draba - 2018-01-06, 01:17 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by Lincrono - 2018-05-28, 02:43 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by draba - 2018-05-28, 05:03 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by Lincrono - 2018-05-29, 06:24 AM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by LAG_MASTER115 - 2018-06-27, 07:11 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by Fernir - 2018-06-27, 08:02 PM
RE: Laser/LAMS rework (2.15) - by khaz - 2018-06-29, 11:13 PM

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