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The Battle Damage thread

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Well, time to throw more fuel to the age-old fire. Maybe we can get this done and get back to things being blown up.

T-34
The first models of T-34 entered service two years prior to the Sherman or the Tiger. In battle they originally faced tanks such as the Pz 38t or even worse the finnish Vickers, which had no real way of doing any damage to its armor. (This is the same reason as the colossal rolling pile of garbage known as Matilda is held in such a high esteem - it didn't face foes that could damage it!) In the early days of war the myths of its invincible armor were well earned, and even in the later stages of the war could take shots from the 75mm-armed Stugs and Late-model Panzer IVs, or even looted versions of itself. The "moving transmission with a hammer" is attributed to the wrong tank - the KV-series had notoriously outdated caterpillar tracks and ancient transmission sytem which were designed for tanks far less its weight. T-34 had Christie suspension, building of which was mastered by the soviets after the BT-series and was also used in the british mediums during and after the war. There are two opinions on whether the T-34 was a piece of crap that broke down or easily maintained. Both are true - the soviet design strategy was to build machines that had easily fixable or changeable parts instead of durable parts.

Sherman
The Sherman gets a lot of undeserved flak. It has armor that is quite comparable to the T-34, but it was introduced at about the same time as the Tiger, which results in way skewed views of its performance. The 75mm gun was the best gun of its (rather short) era, originally used in the stopgap M3 Lee and a godsend to the allied forces. Originally it faced only dinky Panzer threes and fours, latter being an infantry support variant. Sherman itself was not an infantry support tank, but had variants such as the one with the 105mm breaktrough gun and modifications such as the tulip that were perfectly capable of the role. Its horrible reputation comes from entering the battlefields during the start of the era of the big cats and the bloody stupid tank doctrine the yanks used preventing the implementation of the excellent 76mm gun for far too long. Both guns could penetrate the tiger, the latter in far more efficient way, and while originally relatively clumsy, the upgrades to a far superior engine and the HVSS-suspension made it the one of the most manouverable tanks of the war. In the Korean war it usually won over the enemy T-34-85ms due to its superior handling and optics while being otherwise on the same ground.

Tiger
People either seem to loathe or love the Tiger. It was an absolute terror when it came to the battlefields, but in the latter years it became bit dated due to german engineering focusing on newer tanks. The 88mm gun ended the reign of the US 75mm gun, but was relatively iffy as an anti-tank gun in the later stages of the war, having problems with the M4A3E2 Jumbo's uparmored fronts, soviet IS-series and I'd presume Churchill sevens too, though I've never read documentation on the two of them facing. It was surprisingly fast and nimble, being able to go 45km/h (Though essentially never driven these speeds due to terrain and causing eventual damage) and capable of outmanouvering most tanks of its era despite its size. It was well armored during its introduction, but being unsloped it fell behind newer designs in the armor department. Also a curious case - it had equal armor both in the front and back (100mm) and least on the sides (80mm) which probably caused confusion among allied tankers (Director of Fury was dumb) It would've been rather good vehicle of its age if it would've been far more cost effective. Maybe germans should have just pumped out Stugs? Who knows.

There's what knowledge I have. Also whoever dared to use War Thunder as a source of realistic information should now go to the corner and think about his life decisions.
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The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-01-30, 07:45 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Dambuster - 2016-01-30, 11:51 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-01-31, 01:08 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Celestia - 2016-01-31, 02:40 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Neonivek - 2016-01-31, 02:56 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-01-31, 03:06 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by afjklol - 2016-02-01, 07:03 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-01-31, 03:08 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by T3hJimmer - 2016-02-01, 07:26 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by afjklol - 2016-02-01, 07:34 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by goduranus - 2016-02-01, 07:11 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carrion - 2016-02-01, 07:37 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by afjklol - 2016-02-01, 09:40 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Kohl Armata - 2016-02-01, 08:33 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-02-02, 11:55 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Zuthal - 2016-02-02, 12:41 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-09, 12:09 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-09, 12:41 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-09, 03:51 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-09, 04:40 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Meatsheild - 2016-02-09, 06:50 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-09, 04:18 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Meatsheild - 2016-02-09, 04:49 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Tallon Warhawk - 2016-02-09, 10:08 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-02-09, 10:15 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Tallon Warhawk - 2016-02-09, 10:19 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-02-09, 10:51 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-09, 10:27 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by HaliBURD - 2016-02-10, 01:35 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Braethias - 2016-02-10, 05:49 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Paintballs - 2016-02-10, 07:45 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by doctercorgi - 2016-02-10, 08:24 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-10, 11:35 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-10, 11:48 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-11, 01:00 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by doctercorgi - 2016-02-11, 10:02 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Braethias - 2016-02-12, 09:02 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-11, 01:10 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-11, 01:52 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-11, 04:50 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-11, 06:30 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Tallon Warhawk - 2016-02-11, 10:19 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Kohl Armata - 2016-02-11, 08:46 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-11, 03:33 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-11, 03:41 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by bs1110101 - 2016-02-12, 10:29 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by KuramaFox - 2016-02-12, 11:38 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Phoenix238 - 2016-02-13, 12:51 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-02-13, 03:51 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Phoenix238 - 2016-02-13, 08:33 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-13, 03:56 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-02-13, 04:00 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-13, 04:01 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-14, 04:13 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by dexecuter18 - 2016-02-14, 06:44 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-14, 06:58 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Wolfhunter107 - 2016-02-15, 04:15 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by strungest - 2016-02-15, 10:56 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by marine0351W - 2016-03-30, 04:13 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Pyrotech51 - 2016-02-14, 09:53 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-14, 04:12 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-14, 08:31 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Neonivek - 2016-02-15, 10:54 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Tallon Warhawk - 2016-02-15, 11:08 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BaronBaconeer - 2016-02-15, 02:09 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-15, 03:08 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BaronBaconeer - 2016-02-15, 03:13 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-15, 04:12 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Kohl Armata - 2016-02-15, 04:45 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Pyrotech51 - 2016-02-15, 04:58 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-15, 05:20 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Pyrotech51 - 2016-02-15, 05:44 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by KuramaFox - 2016-02-15, 05:49 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-02-16, 02:57 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-21, 04:57 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by dexecuter18 - 2016-02-21, 06:41 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by KuramaFox - 2016-02-27, 09:22 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-02-27, 03:14 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-02-27, 04:07 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by RoranHawkins - 2016-02-27, 05:43 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Pyrotech51 - 2016-02-27, 06:06 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-03, 12:49 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-03-03, 01:24 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-03, 01:27 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by KuramaFox - 2016-03-04, 11:08 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ComradeGreen - 2016-03-05, 01:01 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-03-05, 01:13 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Cythphn - 2016-03-05, 09:32 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-03-06, 04:22 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-03-07, 02:03 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by RoranHawkins - 2016-03-07, 12:12 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Tallon Warhawk - 2016-03-14, 08:01 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-07, 02:08 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-03-14, 07:59 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-03-14, 04:57 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-03-20, 02:27 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Hikari - 2016-03-21, 12:45 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Hikari - 2016-03-21, 02:54 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by mrvecz - 2016-03-22, 04:46 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by amimai - 2016-03-23, 09:28 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-29, 01:13 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Neekap - 2016-03-29, 01:14 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-29, 01:15 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-03-29, 01:15 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-29, 01:16 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Dadur - 2016-03-30, 02:16 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-03-30, 05:59 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-04-10, 01:21 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-04-10, 01:31 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-04-10, 01:32 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-04-13, 03:49 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by EnzeeeJ - 2016-04-13, 04:25 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Confidentbottle - 2016-04-16, 04:07 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Hikari - 2016-04-29, 01:35 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-04-30, 02:52 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by EnzeeeJ - 2016-04-30, 02:31 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by robertqin - 2016-04-30, 08:27 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-01, 04:01 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BaronBaconeer - 2016-05-01, 04:35 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-01, 04:46 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-01, 05:05 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-01, 05:07 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-01, 05:09 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BaronBaconeer - 2016-05-01, 05:14 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-01, 05:19 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-01, 05:23 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-01, 05:26 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BaronBaconeer - 2016-05-01, 05:26 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-01, 05:32 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BaronBaconeer - 2016-05-01, 05:43 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Combatsmithen - 2016-05-08, 01:58 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by dexecuter18 - 2016-05-01, 06:16 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-01, 06:27 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ShaadowMaaster - 2016-05-01, 06:54 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Ferrit - 2016-05-02, 05:31 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by The Baron - 2016-05-05, 08:02 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Fuzzyhead12 - 2016-05-06, 03:30 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-07, 12:41 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by Ferrit - 2016-05-07, 02:26 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-05-22, 12:55 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-22, 03:57 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by ciaranhappy - 2016-05-22, 05:37 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by A Lemming - 2016-05-28, 11:55 PM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by carmenara - 2016-05-29, 12:41 AM
RE: The Battle Damage thread - by BurningLegion - 2016-05-29, 06:34 AM

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