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What are your political views? From the politics thread by Fuzzah (dead now), it seems like most people here are against Trump, which makes since, given it tends to be smarter, more educated people playing this game, the opposite of his base, but I'm wondering how it stacks up numerically, so I made this poll.

Check 2, one of the first 2 and one of the 3rd and fourth options, and/or other, if other comment below.

KEEP IT CIVILIZED I don't want chaos and arguing for different views, feel free to discuss, but don't go crazy.
I Will Upset a lot of ppl with this I think

Trump won be because he got like almost all press showed him a LOT, and because he is the lesser of the two devils, I don't even want to think what would happen if Hillary would have been chosen, at worst nuclear war, at best ~30% of the military out of US and "peacekeeping" in Africa and the middle east.

ATM, there are no countries that even have proper democracy, its dead, the countries coming closest to democratic are the Scandinavian ones...
And the US started destabilizing itself from the point where they put out the *5 year plan to take down 7 countries in 5 years...*
I say they are destabilizing themselves is because they say to everyone we are absolute dickheads and we bomb everyone because reasons, now the US is completely unpopular in the Middle east and Africa, (where ~40% of the smart ppl came from ...)
I think that most of my views align towards the “left” in America, sans gun control. I really would have preferred a viable third candidate.
.....who put fascist?
I had to put 'other' because:

a) I tend to hate all of the above
b) I'm not American

I tend to consider myself a libertarian, and I guess there are some Republicans like that (I'm also a Republican in another sense: duck the monarchy. Seriously. And the BBC propaganda that keeps their popularity up), but aside from that the viewpoint from this side of the Atlantic is that 'Murican politics devolves into a discussion of how hard they want to ban abortion.

Like presumably everyone here, I don't want net neutrality dead (rip in peace #neverforget) and possibly unlike some people I rant about 1984-style mass-surveillance a lot.

As for politics here in Airstip One, it's pretty dire after Brexit. If you didn't want a hard Brexit there were 2 options: Greens and Lib Dems. The Greens are serious commies (their budget plan was based off a total state budget of about £900bn compared to the £750bn or something currently ie loads more tax) so I voted for the Lib Dems, but neither got a noticeable amount of the vote. Both the main parties are in shambles, and there was some seriously scary spaghetti planned (paraphrasing):

'We will allow new powers to be used against people we think are terrorists but we don't have enough evidence to prove it in court in order to restrict their freedom and movements. And if the Human Rights Act gets in the way we'll scrap the Human Rights Act.'

Luckily the campaigning was a shitshow as well and their popularity plummeted Tongue (although no-one seemed to pick up on this bit).

I used to like this party (sort of), but these days they're all about mass surveillance and banning encryption banning end-to-end encryption duck it we actually spoke to someone who knew what those words meant who said it was a terrible idea so maybe we won't actually do it.



(2017-12-21, 09:58 PM)Skyer Wrote: [ -> ]I Will Upset a lot of ppl with this I think

Trump won be because he got like almost all press showed him a LOT, and because he is the lesser of the two devils, I don't even want to think what would happen if Hillary would have been chosen, at worst nuclear war, at best ~30% of the military out of US and "peacekeeping" in Africa and the middle east.

ATM, there are no countries that even have proper democracy, its dead, the countries coming closest to democratic are the Scandinavian ones...
And the US started destabilizing itself from the point where they put out the *5 year plan to take down 7 countries in 5 years...*
I say they are destabilizing themselves is because they say to everyone we are absolute dickheads and we bomb everyone because reasons, now the US is completely unpopular in the Middle east and Africa, (where ~40% of the smart ppl came from ...)

The 'reasons' tend to be oil, and tbf everyone is fucked without oil. It's not a good enough excuse for the shitstorm the US + airstrip one made in Iran tho, or any of the countless other countries in which similar shady business happened.

As for Trump vs Hillary, while Hillary vs. РОССИЯ would be kind of scary, it wouldn't be much more scary than Trump vs. Little Rocket Man, and at least nuclear war with РОССИЯ would be less likely.
(2017-12-22, 02:39 AM)Kaonicping Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-12-21, 09:58 PM)Skyer Wrote: [ -> ]I Will Upset a lot of ppl with this I think

Trump won be because he got like almost all press showed him a LOT, and because he is the lesser of the two devils, I don't even want to think what would happen if Hillary would have been chosen, at worst nuclear war, at best ~30% of the military out of US and "peacekeeping" in Africa and the middle east.

ATM, there are no countries that even have proper democracy, its dead, the countries coming closest to democratic are the Scandinavian ones...
And the US started destabilizing itself from the point where they put out the *5 year plan to take down 7 countries in 5 years...*
I say they are destabilizing themselves is because they say to everyone we are absolute dickheads and we bomb everyone because reasons, now the US is completely unpopular in the Middle east and Africa, (where ~40% of the smart ppl came from ...)

The 'reasons' tend to be oil, and tbf everyone is fucked without oil. It's not a good enough excuse for the shitstorm the US + airstrip one made in Iran tho, or any of the countless other countries in which similar shady business happened.

As for Trump vs Hillary, while Hillary vs. РОССИЯ would be kind of scary, it wouldn't be much more scary than Trump vs. Little Rocket Man, and at least nuclear war with РОССИЯ would be less likely.
It would be Hillary vs Russia and in meanwhile would havre dropped nukes on N Korea, it would have been worse.







Now if it goes to politics in lithuania (my home country) the politics at this point are just all over the place, and a puppet of the US supposed to just bark at Russia as loud as possible which is spaghetti...
I would really like that they would stop and make friends with Russia.

I also would actually like if the US leave NATO and stop sending troops to the border of Russia
Anti war, because duck that spaghetti, this whole "war on terror" is self perpetuating, which I think is the point.

Bomb a civilian residential area because they're MIGHT be terrorists -> make people hate you for bombing them -> people hate you so much they become terrorists -> return to step one. Weapons manufacturers love it, and it gives the government an excuse to limit personal freedoms and privacy more and more.

Unfortunately, the consensus across both major parties is that war is GREAT and that we all need to sacrifice our freedoms to protect our freedom.

I also support social programs like universal healthcare and free education, because it's the humane thing to do and because a happy, healthy, educated workforce is far more productive than a sick, ignorant, angry one.

I am also pro gun, because the anti gun arguments are just plain not rooted in reality. For starters, you're more likely to be stuck by lightning than killed in a mass shooting. Mass shootings make up a tiny percentage of gun deaths, but they get all the attention, and everyone goes "OH NO BANN ALL THE GUNS" which causes gun sales to skyrocket. Then of course nothing happens to bann them.

The reality of the situation is that america's exceptionally high murder rate has vastly less to do with guns than it does with the fact that the united states is on the fast track to becoming a failed state, with crumbling infrastructure, vast income inequality, and police who you can't trust at all. As a result, you get high crime, and so high murder rates.

And banning guns would never actually be able to get rid of them. You can't just wave a wand and make something go away. See prohibition and war on drugs for examples of what happens when you try and take away something that a large percentage of the population has and doesn't want to give up.

Finally, the whole "russiagate" thing is utterly moronic and is just another wave of redscare politics. There are a thousand bad things trump actually DOES do, the only reason they democrats want to focus on the russia thing is because 99% of the bad things trump actually does do, they do also.
Lets trigger as much people as possible with my political views

- Democracy is way to go for Humans, Socialism and its heavier variants we saw in history (USSR as example) are deluded and dangerous and doesnt work with Human nature.
- No war, but it seems its inevitable and has to happen at some point. And jolly if it happens its surely because of Socialistic state starting war against Democratic state (KLDR vs US... uhm, so then the entire NATO)
- States should be conservative and shouldnt give away its identity just like that to not trigger those crybabies who get offended by anything
- Death penalty should be restored, else taxpayers have to feed these monsters for the majority of their lives. Some people just deserve to die, China sometimes executes people for being corrupted, or for being reckless.
China executed two guys for putting some dangerous spaghetti to milk, resulting in few deaths of children and thousands of injuries.
- Religion is outdated, Islam should be reformed else these lunatics blowing our children in the streets wont cease just that, Islam, in its core is violent against non believers (Aka the growing number of the entire worlds population) no other religion i can think of celebrates death and mass killings of innocents with bombs.
- States should deport all immigrants that dont bother to adapt and get to work, again they are just a leech on the state.
- Multiculturalism is NOT a good thing in recent times
- EU should know its place and not overstep its boundaries, EU is good in its core is benefitial for Europe. I used to be hard core EU fan till it started to threaten my country, Hungary and Poland with economic sanctions for NOT taking more useless immigrants
- God doesnt exist, if he did, he would have prevented WW2 from happening. God is alien or alien AI, thats the closet i would believe in
- Human culture should be mixed between individualism and collectivism. People should give a damm and care about themselves, but if thats impossible, state should help them.
- Governments should be limited and easily voted out if people are not satisfied with them.

I might edit it to include more but this is what i can smash together in the morning before i gtfo to work.
(2017-12-22, 06:57 AM)mrvecz Wrote: [ -> ]Lets trigger as much people as possible with my political views

- Democracy is way to go for Humans, Socialism and its heavier variants we saw in history are deluded and dangerous and doesnt work with Human nature.

Not sure you know what socialilisim is. It's an inherently democratic concept. The USSR was not socialist, it was effectively fascist with with socialisim as a propaganda tool.

- No war, but it seems its inevitable and has to happen at some point. And jolly if it happens its surely because of Socialistic state starting war against Democratic state (KLDR vs US... uhm, so then the entire NATO)
- States should be conservative and shouldnt give away its identity just like that to not trigger those crybabies who get offended by anything
- Death penalty should be restored, else taxpayers have to feed these monsters for the majority of their lives. Some people just deserve to die, China sometimes executes people for being corrupted, or for being reckless.
China executed two guys for putting some dangerous spaghetti to milk, resulting in few deaths of children and thousands of injuries.
- Religion is outdated, Islam should be reformed else these lunatics blowing our children in the streets wont cease just that, Islam, in its core is violent against non believers (Aka the growing number of the entire worlds population) no other religion i can think of celebrates death and mass killings of innocents with bombs.

These are the behaviors of an extremely small and violent sect of islam, that are no more representative of it than the klan are of christianity.

- States should deport all immigrants that dont bother to adapt and get to work, again they are just a leech on the state.

You are essentially sentencing people to death for not being "useful" enough.

- Multiculturalism is NOT a good thing in recent times
- EU should know its place and not overstep its boundaries, EU is good in its core is benefitial for Europe. I used to be hard core EU fan till it started to threaten my country, Hungary and Poland with economic sanctions for NOT taking more useless immigrants

I might edit it to include more but this is what i can smash together in the morning before i gtfo to work.
SHORT STORY THAT IS UNLIKELY TO OFFEND PEOPLE:
I consider myself progressive.
If you have no idea what that means here is a Wikipedia page for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
I am anti-trump, not to fond of any of the Clintons, and believe America needs gun control asap.


LONG STORY THAT MAY OFFEND YOU IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS :

Basically, I know for a fact I will offend people by saying this but there are some things I feel must go, namely, religion, now im not saying the belief in a god or gods are inherently bad, think of it like this, take the wars in the middle east with terrorism and such, they blame it on the Quran, if religion wasn't a thing they would have nothing to blame there senseless violence on and such, people wouldn't be rallying in support of them in some places.
Its similar with Christianity, no Christianity = no mass purges of "heretics" who in truth where just people who had disability's and such.
Of course, its the minority of believers who cause these issues these days, I have a crush on a girl who believes in God, so I have to admit, its the minority who are the issue here, but honestly, I feel there presence is stronger.
But im going to move on before I get banned for being offensive, now, I also am a firm believer that we need to continue scientific and economic progress, which is a given.
I also believe many other aspects of society need to change, for example,I have Autism, this is not the first time I've stated this, but I do, I ave Asperger syndrome.
However, I wouldn't mention this in most places, Why? Because, at school for example, my parents have been verbally abused because I go to a normal school (for the record, im actually top of my class in most subjects) but most parents at school think I am an issue, and whats worse is, here in Australia we have a politician called Pauline Hanson, I wont elaborate to far because its illegal to bash on the government publicly in this country but, basically, she thinks Autistic people are incapable of anything at all and need to be removed from schools at the very least.
Short story is, she has problems, if you want you can look her up, she has become a bit of a meme out here.
\But my point is, the fact people like her, or Trump can get into government is an issue, we need quality control!
I will end there before I go on a rant.
But basically, I am progressive, think religion needs to go, or at-least become a minor force rather then a major one, and think there needs to be quality control on politicians.
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